1.
The desire to make a picture
like Goodfellas or certain aspects of MeanStreets, for example. I always felt
that MeanStreets too, was the tradition of WarnerBrothersGangsterFilms, in a
way. Goodfellas is a better example, because, mid-nineties, ninety-one, ninety,
I think. And, we, uh, very simply trace the lineage right past, right to the
forties of the ganster films by RaoulWalsh. Films coming out of WarnerBrothers.
Particularly, TheRoaringTwenties. Down to the thirties, particularly, two
films. Scarface and ThePublicEnemy. And Scarface, you
have an interesting situation, where these characters, they're really despicable,
but presented in such a way that you like them. That was the key. That was
the first movie that I saw that made me realise, He has the same dillema I
have, basically, because I grew up around a lot of these guys. They're not [at]
all like PaulMuni or GeorgeRaft. More like HenryHill, where I grew up, in a
way. And Paulie, for example, PaulVarrio, played by PaulSorvino. I understood
that. I also understood it as human beings. I know that they came out of tradition,
though, of outlaws, in a way, which is something very
popular in American [US] culture. All the way back to 19th century.
In fact, we take TheMusketeersinPigAlley by [DavidWark]Griffith. I even took it even further. But also, I
took it even further. TheGreatTrainRobbery. They commit this great robbery,
and, at the end, the police get them all, and somebody, the last shot, fire a gun
right into the camera . That's why Joe Pesci character firing a gun at the end
into the camera of Goodfellas. In the sense that, basically, Goodfellas, a
bunch of outlaws, they do this incredible robbery, they all kill each other,
and the police get [apprehend] them at the end. It's exactly the same story.
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3.
Now, the first real gangster
picture that I saw was ThePublicEnemy. My father took me to see that. It was on
double-bill with LittleCaesar. LittleCaesar's good. I thought ThePublicEnemy
was more truthful. Some people say it's crude, the way it's shot. But I don't
think so. I don't think so. You never see the violence. It's always off-camera.
And we understood. My father, he was basically, he
was with those people. He was around them all the time. He grew up with them. He
basically knew that was the truth. You can call
him TomPowells. You can call him anything. Any ethnic [immigrant] name, up
there. It's basically the same thing. It's basically the moment he tells his
brother, "They pin medals on you for killing those Germans over there. You
get medals and I get what? I'm not to be respected?" You understand? It's
that kind of thinking, thinking of putting food on the table, protecting your
family, then it goes out of control.
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5.
It's very funny [What's funny?]
because, I must say again, some of the best entertainment I had was listening
to some guys on street corners and tell stories. Oral tradition. Self-deprecating,
funny. Some of the toughest people I've ever seen do this, too. Tell stories
with greatest humour about human nature that is so funny. Human nature,
granted, under strange circumstances. Very odd, not your average circumstances.
But still, get the humour out of it, bring humanity out of it was quite
something, you know. Killing people. Robbing somebody's house. To hear some of
these stories, humour, prison humour, in a way. I don't know what to say. Joe
Pesci said one day, "Marty, they think your movie is funny in prison."
Not audiences, regular convicts think they're funny. That's when I said,
"Well, what do you want me to do?".But he, but you know, that's what
it is. That's what the trick of that film was. The idea of that humour, in a
way. I was exploring how I could still be endear to
people like that, because I grew up around them. Yet I know what they do, you
know. It's that economy. I can't bring the two together. Granted, in the
film, the certain point, the minute they kill BillyBatts, FrankVincent, it's
["]down-hill["].
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7.
I think I brought more of almost
documentary attitues towards it. I wanted to show you the stars of the movie is
the way of life, not a character. Somebody commented it was Scarface without
Scarface, but that's what it is. We don't need Scarface in the film. It's the
way of life. You grow up around that, what I wanted to show you was, The danger
of exuberance of that kind of life, at first, you see. The danger of
exuberance. The danger of excitement. When you're
young, you think you're gonna live forever. You think you're tough. You can
take few more shots in the head. You think you're tougher than the other
person. Eventually, if you don't use your brain, you're not gonna ["]wind
up["] anywhere. That's what happens
in the Joe Pesci character. I think the danger of the excitement of that life-style,
what I grew up around, I saw a lot of people ["]disappear["] because
of that.
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